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I would like to define what I call ‘Pork pie’ jokes, after a line in one of my favourite films – Topsy Turvy by Mike Leigh (the internet suggests that Gilbert never actually said it, but it’s a great line anyway). In the film W.S. Gilbert, in a rehearsal for The Mikado, is trying to inject some authenticity into the entrance of the ‘Three little maids from school’ by inviting some Japanese guests to a rehearsal. See the video below:

We see the initial choreography that the choreographer, M. D’Auban, has set. Having seen it Gilbert prompts the Japanese guests to confirm that the dance was ‘not even remotely Japanese’ and, after some language problems[1], gets the young Japanese girls to walk downstage. D’Auban still doesn’t get it:

Gilbert: That is the very effect I need.
D'Auban: And what effect exactly is that?
Gilbert: Did you not see what they did?
D'Auban: Yes, they walked downstage.
Barker:  They appeared to me to be ambling along the Strand.
Gilbert: They walked downstagein the Japanese manner!
D'Auban: They walked in the Japanese manner because they are Japanese.
Gilbert: Exactly! And that is precisely why they are here.
D'Auban: Our maids are not Japanese. However, they are very funny.
Gilbert: No funnier, however, than they would be if they all sat down on pork pies.

A pork pie joke, then, is any joke which may be funny, but is so out of place in the context that you might as well go the whole hog and just have some bawdy slapstick.

Gilbert’s point, as I see it, is that it’s very easy to get a laugh on stage – just have your actors sit down on pork pies. But just because it’s funny does not mean it should be done.

In a way it’s a different version of the politician’s fallacyWe must do something funny, this is funny, therefore we must do this.

Why should such a cheap laugh not be allowed? The Mikado is a comic opera, it is meant to be funny. Surely then anything that gets a laugh is fair game?

Well, yes and no. A pork pie joke will almost certainly get a laugh, but at what cost?

Suspension of disbelief in a dramatic work is incredibly important – you’re asking an audience to follow you on a journey into a different world, possibly a world very different from our own – where magic is possible, or people sing choruses in public, or a black smoke monster on an island can kill people. To keep them with you you need to maintain their suspension of disbelief; anything that rocks that suspension risks breaking the spell and causing an audience to recognise the absurdity of what they’re witnessing and so losing their investment in the plot.

Having an actor act out of character, breaking the fourth wall, or changing the tone of the work suddenly are all surefire ways to break this spell; if you’re watching a gritty police drama and, just as it seems the detective has reached a dead end, he pulls out a magic wand and conjures up a demon to help him find the killer, you’re instantly going to switch off (probably both mentally and physically). In the same way adding a pork pie joke to a carefully crafted and wordy comedy turns the whole affair into farce. Would we regard Yes, Minister as one of the pinnacles of British comedy if halfway through an episode Sir Humphrey resorted to fart jokes and knob gags?

Another way of viewing the folly of pork pie jokes is to picture yourself at a symphony concert – perhaps in the Royal Albert Hall – and Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony is playing. You are really getting into the music and your ears are tuned to the dynamic range of the orchestra – you appreciate the piano of gentle string passages and the fortissimo when the brass weigh in. Then someone plays the ‘Ode to joy’ theme on an electric guitar. The moment is lost, all the subtleties of the orchestral palatte are orevshadowed by the amplified guitar.

This is not to say that electric guitars are in any way vulgar – a virtuoso guitarist should rightly be considered the equal of a virtuoso violinist – but it is a matter of choosing the appropriate stage for such performances – horses for courses if you will. Having people sit on pork pies could be hilarious and completely appropriate in a pantomime, or farce, or kids TV show, but is woefully out of place in a comic work where clever word-play and satire are the principal sources of humour.

Pork pie jokes should be recognised by comedy writers and diretors and treated with care, and avoided where possible. You can get away with one or two small ones in certain contexts, but be wary or your whole work could be ruined.

Mark

  1. ‘If he doesn’t speak English, he’s hardly likely to speak Italian, is he?’ []

I don’t have as much time today to write a full post, so I’ll take the easy way out and give a smattering of links I’ve enjoyed recently.

Fabulous Adventures in Coding – Making the code read like the spec

Eric Lippert is probably my favourite computer science blogger (even narowly beating the mighty Joel Spolsky) as not only do his interests in language design and linguistics intersect quite nicely with mine but he manages explains very complex topics in incredibly clear and concise ways, and still have the odd humourous side comment. If you’re not a software engineer and don’t care about identifying cycles in type hierarchies then just read the following few paragraphs:

First off, what is this thing called the “reflexive and transitive closure”?

Consider a “relation” – a function that takes two things and returns a Boolean[1] that tells you whether the relation holds. A relation, call it ~>, is reflexive if X~>X is true for every X. It is symmetric if A~>B necessarily implies that B~>A. And it is transitive if A~>B and B~>C necessarily implies that A~>C.

For example, the relation “less than or equal to” on integers is reflexive: X≤X is true for all X. It is not symmetric: 1≤2 is true, but 2≤1 is false. And it is transitive: if A≤B and B≤C then it is necessarily true that A≤C.

The relation “is equal to” is reflexive, symmetric and transitive; a relation with all three properties is said to be an “equivalence relation” because it allows you to partition a set into mutually-exclusive “equivalence classes”.

The relation “is the parent of” on people is not reflexive: no one is their own parent. It is not symmetric: if A is the parent of B, then B is not the parent of A. And it is not transitive: if A is the parent of B and B is the parent of C, then A is not the parent of C. (Rather, A is the grandparent of C.)

It is possible to take a nontransitive relation like “is the parent of” and from it produce a transitive relation. Basically, we simply make up a new relation that is exactly the same as the parent relation, except that we enforce that it be transitive. This is the “is the ancestor of” relation: if A is the ancestor of B, and B is the ancestor of C, then A is necessarily the ancestor of C. The “ancestor” relation is said to be the transitive closure of the “parent” relation.

I think that’s about as clear and concise way to define closures over relations anyone can write. If you really want your brain to flip then read his series of articles on covariance and contra-variance – mind blowing. Or if you want a bit of lighter relief, read his rants

Sceince, Reason and Critical Thought – Skeptic Park

Since learning about the BCA v Singh case through the authoritative Jack of Kent’s blog I’ve become rather too obsessed with skepticism/liberlism – I haven’t changed my political thinking very much (maybe moved from just right of centre to just left) but these writers seem to speak the same language as me and argue things I generally agree with, so I’m happy to stand under their metaphorical collective banner. Crispian Jago’s blog is the light relief in the crowd – in one video he wagers that ‘if homeopathy works I’ll drink my own piss’ and then proceeds to prepare a homeopathic solution from said urine and drink the result. Genius.

In the above linked cartoon he turns well known skeptics into South Park characters. Have an explore around his site for more gems.

Charlie Brooker – Christmas is the season of awful adverts

An article from a real newspaper – the Grauniad Guardian. As is all too well known to anyone who knows me, I’m quite a fan of Mr. Brooker, and I think this stands as one of his best rants. Particularly the following:

Watching Marks and Spencer’s Christmas ad is like sitting through Children in Need. Joanna Lumley, Stephen Fry, Myleene Klass, Jennifer Saunders, Twiggy, James Nesbitt, Wallace and Gromit . . . it’s so chummy and cosy and thoroughly delighted by its own existence, I keep hoping it’ll suddenly cut to a shot of a deranged crystal meth user squatting on the cold stone floor of a disused garage, screaming about serpents while feverishly sawing their own hand off at the wrist.Instead it jokily tries to undercut itself by including a cameo from Philip Glenister, standing in a pub to prove what a bumptiously down-to-earth Mr Bloke he is. His job is to stand at the bar claiming that the best thing about Christmas is the sexy girl from the Marks and Sparks ads running around in her knickers. Then it cuts to the sexy girl from the Marks and Sparks ads running around in her knickers, as though this is somehow as iconic a Christmas image as Rudolph’s nose or the little baby Jesus. Listen here, M&S: few things in life are more pukesome and hollow than a self-mythologising advert – so next year do us all a favour and just shake a few sleighbells, flog us some pants, and then piss off back to your smug little shop and be quiet.

Classic.

Enemies of Reason – My parcel hell

Another rant to be finishing off with, this time from Anton Vowl (who’s catchphrase should really be ‘reading the grotty, seedy newspapers so you don’t have to.’) – an angry, angry man. For extra comic value try reading his diatribe on getting parcels delivered in the style of Christian Bale’s famous shouty-fest[2]:

You tried? Oh good for you. What do you want – a fucking round of applause? How about I whine to you about a series of unsuccessful ‘attempts’ to pay you the money I owe you?

Proper service should be resumed tomorrow.

Mark

  1. [A Boolean is a true or false variable - Mark] []
  2. On that topic wathc this. It’s brilliant:

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Hmm, yesterday’s post strikes me as a little bit dry and, well, boring. I’ll try and make this one more interesting. Though I won’t promise anything.

Let’s talk about awkward comedies. There has been a trend in recent years towards more realistically written and shot comedies (The Office being the genre’s seminal and still in my opinion greatest example) where we are encouraged to laugh at the characters’ awkward and embarrassing predicaments.

A classic example is from the first episode of season two of The Office, where David Brent uses the welcome meeting for the new staff from Swindon as a chance to show off his comedy skills:

Many people I’ve spoken to site that scene as a major reason why they don’t like The Office. Or, if they enjoyed season one, why season two for them went too far with the ‘cringe-factor’. I personally find it hilarious and I’ve been trying to work out why that might be; why does a scene which others can barely watch due to the discomfort it induces in them become one of my favourite scenes in modern comedy?

For a start there’s the contrast between Brent’s over-confidence and arrogance in the lead up to the show meeting and the train-wreck of his actual routine . There’s a wry pleasure in seeing someone’s arrogant pride become their downfall – we observe that they had it coming, and it, in a way, serves them right. In real life this is often, and rightly, a guilty pleasure – laughing at other people’s misfortune[1] – but in fiction we can with clear conscience indulge in a bit of schadenfreude knowing no one’s ego has actually been wounded.

There’s also the fact that Brent’s downfall is so over-the-top, so complete, that most people can say to themselves ‘I might have been in some embarrassing situations, but never as bad as that!’. It’s a common feature of Gervais and Merchant’s writing – running with an idea far longer than anyone would in real life. In Extras, there are frequently scenes where Andy or Maggie make a slip up in conversation and say the wrong thing, accidentally or unwittingly. We’ve all been there. But where in real life one would normally appologise, have a quick laugh and move on (or just ignore it and pretend it didn’t happen. But still just move on with the conversation), in Extras they continue digging themselves into a hole trying to undo the dammage, but of course making it far, far worse:

I think that’s where a lot of the humour from this style of comedy comes from. If you’re watching a traditional sitcom then the whole setup is already so absurd and unreal that to get a laugh requires turning that notch up even higher – think of Basil Faulty; John Cleese’s performance is at it’s ground state so over-the-top that he needs to shout EVEN LOUDER and move his arms around EVEN WIDER as the episode progresses and the situations intensify.

In The Office, by contrast, the ground state is so close to normality it is very easy to mistake it at casual glance with a documentary, and so the writers and actors only need to add a small amount of caricature, push it just a bit far over the line of reality, for it to be funny.

I read somewhere that most humour is the release of realising that what appears to be something serious or scary is actually just benign and you were actually worried over something harmless. I believe that what goes on in my head when I see, for example, the famous ‘Brent dance’ scene and David starts his horrendous ‘dance’ is an initial feeling of empathic horror with the other characters – ‘Oh god, that would be awful to watch. Where do you look, what can you say?’ – but that is almost immediately replaced by a feeling of relief when my brain realises that it’s not really happening and I’m not really there. This relief is what causes me to laugh.

Hmm, I’m always crap at coming up with conclusions. I just sort of type what comes into my head. Then get bored. Then try to wrap it up. And fail. In any case I’ve tried to convey some of why I find The Office and its ilk hilarious and I would like to think it’s changed some people’s opinions, though in reality you probably hate it more than ever now I’ve made you sit through two clips. Oh well.

Till tomorrow, I hope.

Mark

  1. ‘Happiness at the misfortune of others. That is German!’ – Avenue Q, Robert Lopez and Jeff Marx []
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